Who Would Win in a Brawl?!

Voldemort killed Harry's parents. Saruman put Gandalf on the top of a tall pointy tower. Voldemort wins!

Kill the spare!

voldemort is of his own agenda saruman works for a big eye like a pussy BOOM! blew your mind now if it was the big eye vs voldemort id pick the eye hands down

KILL THE SPARE!! man, voldemort has to say only TWO words: Avada Kedavra! Saruman takes orders from an eye. Voldemort makes his OWN orders. Saruman can't even kill Gandalf.

While i like LOTR infinitely better than Harry Potter, all saruman is actually shown doing is causing an avalanche and burying people for all of 20 seconds, failing to kill gandalf by shooting a fireball at him, and getting stabbed by a greasy little man.
Voldy pwns all (Except sauron, he would utterly annihilate voldy)

that is actually an unfair statement to make. Avada Kedavra cannot kill saruman because saruman is a Maiar ( a minor god) and is immortal. as for saruman not killing Gandalf, Gandalf is also a maiar. their earthly bodies can be destroyed but they cannot be killed. saruman knows this and tried to keep gandalf prisoner instead of freeing his true form and allowing him to return more powerful than before.

I would, however, say that voldemort has an advantage because if he can destroy saruman's earthly body, saruman's true self would be transported to the halls of Mandos where he would be held captive to await his punishment for betraying the valar. He would likely be sentenced to three ages of the world as prisoner in the halls of mandos, leaving voldemort free. after that, though, saruman would be forgiven by the valar and voldemort would stand no chance, because saruman would destroy all of his horcruxes and then kill him.

Everyone says this but you forget Voldemort can't be killed, either. Horcruxes? So they're in much the same position there. Mind you, if Saruman discovered his horcruxes he's dead.

Voldemort got killed by a scrawny kid with glasses. Saruman owned an army of tens of thousands of orcs and had to be betrayed by his own servant to die.

Saruman wins.

Saruman got killed by a Quasimodo far less powerful than the “scrawny kid with glasses” you're talking about. Voldemort's army may not have been as vast as Saruman's, but magic wielding Death Eater's >>> orchs.

Voldemort wasn’t killed by Harry Potter. Have you even read the books? He was killed by his own curse.

Who is agaist Saruman, read The Lord of The Rings Books first, Saruman owns a powerfull voice and have fantastic powers, he’s a MAIAR, a minor god, the movie shows nothing from his powers, Sauron is not his master, because Saruman rebelled agaist him, Voldemort is a pussy wizard, and don’t understand nothing from wizardry.
Saruman is IMORTAL, he’s have only to destroy Voldemort’s orcruxes and he’s finished. Saruman owns a indestructive tower and an army, Voldemort is so powerfull, that he died by his own curse.

Dear mr Watcher198, may I remind you that the “indestructible tower” was destroyed by angry trees and despite his “immortality” he was killed by a simple knife? Voldemort can’t be killed with a stupid knife, and I higly doubt that Saruman would just be able to easily destroy his horcruxes.

dude, that means he killed himself

Dear mr Cannot SpellMyName, read The Lord of The Rings book Two Towers Chapter Flotsam and Jetsam and then you will see that Saruman’s tower is INDESTRUCTIBLE, the Trees (Ents) only flood the Isengard circle and not destroy the stone tower of “Orthanc” (if you kwon what is this).
Now about the Knife, Saruman was distracted when Grima cut his throat, and Saruman posseses a huge wisdom and die like a Men, Voldemort died by his own curse, a powerfull wizard like Saruman doesn’t die like that, if Voldemort is so powerfull and have a great wisdom like Saruman, he will kwon how to use a stupid wand. The Lord of the Rings The Return of The King movie doesn’t show Saruman’s truly Death, so READ THE BOOKS FIRST, the movies is fantastics, but the most important things is on the books. I already read Harry Potter’s Books and i kwon what i’am talking, Saruman is losing votes because The Lord of The Rings fans doesn’t read the books, so they don’t have arguments. FOR THE LAST TIME, READ THE BOOKS AND SHOW SOME TRULY ARGUMENTS.

That’s Truth, i read the two books, Voldemort comparable to Saruman is nothing, and Voldy doesn’t even know how to use the elder wand, he comitied suicide.

Saruman wins….

It seems you don’t know at all what you’re talking about when it comes to Harry Potter, in fact Voldemort was very knowledgeable when it comes to how to use wands, he just didn’t know that the Elder wand’s loyalty was with Harry and not himself, and that’s why it killed him. Anyway, how do you reckon Saruman is supposed to beat Voldemort in a battle, which is the actual purpose with this thread? Voldemort’s army has magic-wielding wizards and witches that would erase any orc, Uruk-hai or Nazgul army from existence with ease, and in a fight one vs. one, Voldemort is still immortal because of his Horcruxes, and it’s not like Saruman can just find and destroy them at will. At best I’d say this is a stalemate.

Voldemort relied his powers on wands while saurman does not…so that would be a weak point of voldemort, remove his wand and he’s gone

I’m tired of this, The Nazgûl is imortal my friend and the Uruk-Hai are tens of thousands, and in a battle of spells, of course Saruman will win, Voldemort lose for Dumbledore, a stupid principal, and if Saruman dies, he will go to the Palace of Mandos and then return with a new body, no matter how many times Voldemort kills Saruman (if this is possible) he will return much stronger than before, so one day he will find a way to destroy his orcruxes. I know that Voldemort is a powerfull wizard, both of them are, but Saruman will win, one day he will find a way to kill him, like our friend Diego Trejo says, remove his wand and he’s gone. If Voldemort’s body is destroyed, his spirit will find a way to another body, giving time for Saruman to destroy his orcruxes.

No, he’s still immortal due to his Horcruxes, Saruman could spell any spell in Middle-Earth and beyond and it wouldn’t kill Voldemort.

Apparently you know more about LOTR than me, but it is obvious that I know far more about Harry Potter than you, seeing as how gravely you underestimate the “stupid principal” Dumbledore. Saruman was banned from Mandos because of his evil ways so he can’t return like Gandalf did. In a spell vs spell fight, Voldemort takes it, his array of magic is far more versatile than Saruman’s, even though Saruman is a deity. But I guess I’ll have to agree that Voldemort can’t destroy Saruman’s godly form, so if Voldemort didn’t have his horcruxes and didn’t use his powers properly against Saruman, Saruman might be able to kill him. But I stand by my word that Voldemort is the greater wizard.

What feat of magic has Saruman done that is superior to Voldemort’s?

Mr CanSpellMyName,i congratulate your knowledge about Harry’s book my friend, so i agree that Voldemort is imortal having the orcruxes, but Saruman can find them via Palantir and destroy them using this seeing stone.
But for them fighting each other, Middle Earth need to merge with Potter’s universe, so as Saruman can find a way to destroy Voldemort by craftsmen in the world of Harry, Voldemort can find a way to defeat Saruman using the secret knowledge’s of Middle Earth. Both of them can destroy each other using their powers, because their are wises. I prefer Saruman of course, and i think he would win, but i respect your opinion about Voldy’s powers, it will be fun imagine such battle between them.
So i congratulate you once again for your arguments and your commentaries about this poll. 

He has a powerful voice CannotSpellMyName, a voice that forces his listeners do what Saruman commands, and in the chapter of the two towers book, Gandalf said that “Saruman has powers that you cannot imagine”, i think this is a truly argument of what spell Saruman do best than Voldy ones. 

Ggirl i am your FAN!

He is right man, i like Voldy also, but with the Palantir…
Find all Horcruxes would be ease, contratulate you to defend Harry Potter
And Watcher too to post nice arguments. ^^

Thank you for your respectful and kind reply =) It would be a great battle indeed!

Well, we can’t really know for sure as neither of them will ever meet, but I highly doubt that such a powerful wizard as Voldemort would get hypnotized by Saruman. Don’t get me wrong, Saruman is AWESOME (especially since the great Christopher Lee portrayed him) but I think Voldemort has more versatile powers.

Of course, but in J.R.R.Tolkien’s book, Saruman has much powers and spells, but in my opinion, this is the Best one that he can use. In J.K’s book, the magician’s has too much spells for me to remember now, so it will be easy for someone who understands deeply of Harry Potter as yourself CannotSpeelMyName to say Voldy’s powers.
But i prefer Saruman’s powerful voice than Voldy Spells. I read The Lord of The Rings Books, but seeing your conversation with Watcher, I realized he has a deep understanding when it comes to The Lord of The Rings, I think he would agree with me about “The Voice of Saruman”

voldermort is a dumbass and gets killed by Neville Longbttom ffs and i have never seen sum1 fuck around so much when killing potter check him yourself voldermort have u never seen die hard? 4 this reason Saruman wins + voldermort needs a wand!!

he could if he targeted his horcruxes

also what does every1 think 2 Sauron with his ring vs Voldermort with his wand!

Exactly friend, that’s why i like Saruman of Many Colors

TO ALL RETARDE 10 YEARS OLD PRICKS.SARUMAN RAPES HARRY AND HIS GAY FRIENDS ALONG WITH VOLDEMORTS GANG FROM THE ASS

That kind of trolling won’t take this discussion anywhere so please keep such babble to yourself.

While Saruman got killed by a far less powerful moron than Neville Longbottom called Wormtongue (I know his true form wasn’t killed but he still was unable to return to life, that counts as a kill). Neville Longbottom destroyed a horcrux, not Voldemort himself, and he did it with the sword of Gryffindor, not with his own power.

We don’t know if Saruman could find out the location of the Horcruxes with the Palantir or any spell of his own, but even if he could he would still have to kill Voldy himself and that’s not piece of cake even to a sorcerer such as Saruman.

Saruman hands down he has an army of fierce blood thristy Uruk-hai who don’t take shit from anyone. Voldemorts army looks like he enlist a bunch of smelly homeless men.

They would take shit from an army of “smelly homeless men” who can kill them in a dozen ways without even having to engage them in direct combat. Seriously, magic vs spears and arrows? Protection charms against the arrows and Avada Kedavra or other curses to take the Uruks down and it’s peace of cake for Voldy’s army to take Saruman’s, even the Nazgül wouldn’t stand much of a chance. Saruman’s army would definitely take any non-magical or modern army though, it’s pretty friggin’ vast.

The Nazgûl dosen’t have a soul….Avada Kedavra can’t kill them…

Cannot Spell My Name, enought of this please. this discution would take us anywere. so, enought of this. it’s ridiculous this kind of comment, you like Potter’s universe and we prefer LOTR universe, so please, ENOUGHT.

LOTR fans, please, stop diss Potter’s universe and offending their character’s, CannotSpellMyName understand’s deeply of Harry Potter, and we from LOTR, so please, stop with this anger and hatred. If you want to discuss about this poll, please, let’s be civil.

Soulless or not, the Nazgûl aren’t impervious to other spells. Honestly, they are purely physical beings with no magical abilities whatsoever, there is literally no way for a Nazgül of any kind to kill a skilled wizard or witch.

Yeah, you’re right, I just can’t stand it when people make assumptions about characters I love without knowing them and what they are truly capable of. If LOTR fans feel that I’ve treated their characters the same way, then it’s unfortunate and they should correct me, but I still haven’t heard anything that suggests that Saruman could defeat Voldemort, people tend to think that just because Saruman is really a godlike being he can easily defeat Voldemort, and I think that’s a disrespectful and overall erroneous thing to say. For the record, I love Lord of the Rings as well and I think that Tolkien’s world is far more complex and exquisitely elaborated than J.K. Rowling’s, I just prefer the intrigue, the style and the characters of Harry Potter. There is plenty of space for both of them anyway

It comes down to who is the more Powerfull wizard as they are, not who they’d come back as, etc… So, on that, Voldemort wins. Simple.

You pricks!! what power does poses saruman to kill or defeat voldemort??? compare the fight between gandalf and saruman in the fellowship of the ring againts dumbledore and voldemort in the order of the phoneix!! gandalf and saruman are just lifting away each other but dumbledore and voldemort were firing electrical magic and then voldemort made an giant fire serpent and dumbledore took down the serpent and put the fire back at voldemort and then dumbledore brandish his wand and summoned a water that drowned voldemort and voldemort got out at the water and…….. whatever just watch gandalf vs saruman and dumbledore vs voldemort on youtube… and you should be comparing voldemort to sauron because their both dark lords!!!

and again!! there is no powerful sorcerer than dumbledore!! if wizards in harry potter is in middle earth they will rule there!! calling man muggles!! and not even tens of thousands uruk hai will dominate such wizards!! unlike gandalf harry potter wizards has no need to use swords because they will rely on the magic that burst out through their wands!! lotr charaters compare to HP characters!! 
 SAURON VS VOLDEMORT MORGOTH VS GRINDELWALD..oh and btw if u really and deeply read the two books you would know morgoth and grindelwald .. DEATH EATERS VS NAZGULS WITH THEIR FELL BEASTS.. HOUSE ELVES VS THE EVLES… SMEAGLE VS DOBBY..HMMMMM DUMBLEDORE VS WHO??? HARRY POTTER VS FRODO BAGGINS OR ARAGORN?? whatever go harry potter!!

Man, i know u like Harry Potter, but please, let’s make this easy…Lotr have nmore armies, more ways to kill voldy, Saruman, the Great and Wise Wizard, would win, after all, with or without his staff he can fight, does Voldy can do the same? I think not, man, i think u r a good person, but…this? Man, let’s reconize who’s the best wizard …. plz

What a blasphemy, my friend, we talking about the books and not from the movies, SARUMAN IS A DEITY, and if Middle Earth goes against Potter’s universe, Middle Earth and his empires will fulminate any Hogwarts warrior, and about Morgoth, he is a Dark Lord, a Maiar (do you know what is this?) so, he destroy the Beleriand Land, and what Voldy destroy?, only that castle of stupid students. And the Nazgûl doesn’t die, because they are wraiths and has rings of power, Grindwald is a shity wizard comparable to Morgoth, and if Saruman and Gandalf unite against this threat, they would win, because both of them are deities, and Sauron is a powerful one that can’t be killed by a simple spell as Avada Kedavra, because this spell strip the soul from a person, and Sauron and the orcs doesn’t have a soul, and the Elves of Middle Earth is the best ones that exists, the elves of harry potter are filthy cleaners .
And, if Dumbledore is the most powerful wizard ever exist, why he died for a mere potions teacher? And this poll is about Saruman vs Voldemort, not from Middle Earth vs Potter’s Universe, but since you mention it, Middle Earth would definitely destroy a minority of witches. Just ending your pathetic commentary, just answer my question, What movie won the most oscars, Harry Potter or Lord of The Rings?
Get lost dumbass.

Sorry man, you are insane, go study the books, and come to talk, ok?
Have a great time reading The Lord of the Rings (The Epic Trilogy) and i agree with Watcher.

Thank you, i understand your reasons, you are the only one Harry Potter fan who defended him with great wisdom and arguments. 
I congratulate you, and I am proud to discuss with someone who respects his adversary.

You should be ashamed of such a comment, ask for CannotSpellMyName teach you some arguments for the defense of your favorite book, respect your enemy and show valid arguments about Harry Potter, because in this poll, all weapons of Saruman and Voldemort are paying, including titles like DEITIES.

The last part i agree, but i think the order of phoenix would make gandalf and saruman laugh a lot

Excuse me, can you post something to make me think?
I like challenges, when makes me think…
More arguments please..

I agree with what you said but please try to remain calm.

Smeagol vs Dobby, haha love it xD Dobby would win though if he used his powers cunningly Just a tip, try to remain constructive and unbiased when argumenting, or else you’ll have the internet incarnations of either the Order of the Phoenix or the Fellowship of the Ring on you, and then all hell will break loose, lol.

To answer your question as to why Dumbledore was killed by a mere potions teacher ***SPOILER ALERT AHEAD!!!*** Dumbledore and Snape decided beforehand that Snape must be the one to kill Dumbledore for a number of reasons, firstly because Dumbledore wanted to spare Draco Malfoy the burden of doing it as Voldemort had ordered him to do, secondly because Dumbledore was already dying from a curse that would have caused him a slow and painful death, and thirdly because Dumbledore needed Snape to convince Voldemort that he was loyal to him in order to keep carrying on the mission that Snape was given (Snape was never Voldemort’s, he was Dumbledore’s all along, but he was acting as a double agent). In any other case, Dumbledore would have just yawned at Snape’s attempt to kill him. You really have to read Harry Potter, I swear you’re in for an absolute treat, and the brilliance of LOTR won’t disappear just because you add another fantastic book series to your read list

Star Killer, I respect your thoughts but here’s how I’m seeing it: A million Spartans facing a modern army of 500 soldiers, a couple of tanks and perhaps a helicopter would go down pretty much regardless how many Spartans came to face the modern army. In the same way, the wizarding world of Harry Potter has both defences and weapons to deal with the armies of Middle-Earth, probably all it takes is a common pretection charm from the wizard’s side and it would be more than enough to hold off the minor forces of Middle-Earth while dealing with the more serious adversaries before wiping out the Orcs as the trash they are. Please don’t take this as a diss towards LOTR, I think the armies of Mordor are way more epic than Voldemort’s army and I cannot stress how much I admire Sir J.R.R. Tolkien and the unparalleled mythos he has crafted. As for the best wizard, I still stand by my opinion that even if Saruman can’t be killed period and is a Maiar, Voldemort simply has too diverse powers for Saruman to handle. Why would Voldemort fight without his wand anyway? A caveman would beat the shit out of a gunman if the gunman had no weapon, but fact still remains that the gunman has a gun. Get it?

Thank you, it really makes me happy to read But in the same time I’m sorry that you haven’t met more reasonable Potter fans It’s nice to discuss with you too, you understand that discussing doesn’t always have to be about fighting

Oh, and I also have to point out the fact that the wizard is the one who is powerful, not the wand (except for the Elder wand but that’s a special case). The wand actually chooses its wizard and not the other way around. If Harry Potter tried to use Voldemort’s or Dumbledore’s wand to make the same kind of magic as them, he would probably make LESS powerful magic than with his own wand.

I already know about this my friend, because is a important part of the history in Harry’s book, but thank’s to you recommendation, I will read soon.

SARUMAN: fired voldemort a fireball
VOLDEMORT: turned the fireball into a giant fire serpent hitting towards saruman
SARUMAN: burned to death!!!!

More like burned into Maiar form, but yeah, other than that that’s probably pretty much how the fight would go

xcuse me watcher grindelwald is not a shity wizard!!! he was once a dark lord like voldemort!! he and dumbledore were looking for the deathly hallows and asking more power..dumbledore fell in love with him and yeah he’s gay!! and there was a time that grindelwald wants to rule the world together with dumbledore…dumbledore refused because he,aberforth or grindelwald accidentally killed her..aberforth albus dumbledore’s brother!! so grindelwald rule just like voldemort did!! but dumbledore defeated him and grindelwald was imprisoned for life!! so i say grindelwald can kick morgoth’s ass!! morgoth’s ass was kicked by fingolfin a powerless elf!

*accidentally killed her sister arianna dumbledore*

Hahahaha, Dumbledore fell in love for Grindwald, LOL, Yeah, I don’t said that he’s not a powerful one, i just said that Morgoth is a brilliant and powerful Dark Lord, Morgoth would probably defeat Grind, it will not be a easy battle, but Morgoth will have the victory, he’s like The Great Lord of Beleriand Manwë, the most powerful Maiar of Beleriand and have great powers. I know that Grindwald was a Dark Lord, but against Morgoth he will fall, and correcting your affirmation saying that Morgoth was defeated by Fingolfin, just remember that The Valar needed a huge army to combat him and The Valar are the most powerful beings in Tolkien’s universe. They are the only ones who can defeat him, and Grindwald is just a one men and was defeated by Dumbledore, who had a simple wand and defeated the Lord of The Elder Wand.

Reading your commentary i realized that you only watch LOTR movies and don’t read the books, because Saruman has other powerful powers, so please read the books carefully and post other Saruman powers.

ur probably right he may defeat grind and use the elder wand as a toothpick because he’s huge even bigger and stronger than sauron! But if not grindelwald how about salazar slytherin another powerful wizrd who created the chamber of secrets and the basalisk that can kill you in one look in the eye!

if not grindelwald well salazar slytherin can  the chamber of secrets he created the chamber of secrets and he made the basalisk that one look in the eye ur dead! voldemort cannot die easily because he based his life on 5 horcrexes that can only be destroyed by the gryffindor sword or basalisk fang!  horcrex are very hard to find and kill especialy nagini voldemort’s snake who always stays with him! sauron’s five foot mace may destroy his body but not his soul voldemort’s soul will transfer to another body! and he will only rest in peace if you destroy all horcrexes!

yes I dont read LOTR books i only read HP  but what matters that saruman’s powerful powers didnt happen in the movies and people will think that voldemort is more powerful and he is more powerful than saruman! 

voldemort didnt die on his own curse! he was vanish on his body and his soul transfered into another body saruman would be wiser because voldemort only cares for himself his power and his rein!

hey Ggirl BITCH!! fuck you!! hahaha voldy wins!

Alright, but you may remember that Morgoth has The Balrogs of Morgoth at his service, and the Balrogs are too many, great demons with fire swords and whips of hell, and while Morgoth fight against Salazar, the Balrogs deal with the basilisk, and he’s are only one, and The Balrogs are too many as i said.

I stand my word of Morgoth victory

Yeah, but Sauron has a Palantír, a seeing stone, someone with a lot of willpower will find easily the horcruxes, and with the Basilisk defeated by the Balrogs, Sauron or Morgoth can took a fang and use the Palantir again to find the horcruxes location, and destroy the items one by one.

That is true, Saruman is definitely wiser than Voldemort.

Please don’t use these forums to pick a fight. This site is about discussion, not flamewar.

haha!! im just havin fun..

No! wands are only methods used by wizards to use and control their powers!! and remove saruman’s staff and he would be nothing!! gandalf destroyed saruman’s staff by saying *saruman your staff is broken* gandalf’s staff was destroyed by Witch King through screaming!! that’s weak diego!

Horcruxes are hard to find and kill!! only the gryffindor sword or the basalisk fang can destroy it!! and one horcrex nagini voldemort’s snake is guarded by him!! and the rest are hidden somewhere that saruman would give up finding them!! he couldnt even teleport which you will be needing for your journey searching for them!

Oh now you see that 2 sauron will join forces with morgoth to defeat voldemort!! they may infact use the palantir to locate the horcrexes but one horcrex remains nagini voldemorts snake strictly guarded by him but killed because he was distracted between his duel to HP! then she was killed by nevile! sauron and morgoth cannot fly and teleport voldemort will have all the advantages even if his small because he can fly and teleport!

 one balrog was defeated by gandalf!! 

I stand my word of Salazar victory

You right, but this Balrog was defeated many years after the war of Beleriand, and in the same way that you using Salazar, i will use The Balrogs, Gandalf defeated one of the Balrogs in a battle of days, first in the foundations of stone and them in the Dúrin tower.
The Balrogs are many, hundreds, and Salazar doesn’t have servants like Morgoth or Sauron. 
In a battle, Morgoth will crush Salazar’s head with his Iron Crown, because in this crown rests the Silmarils, the most powerful stones in Beleriand.

Sauron and Morgoth are not huge ones, only in power, they are big yes, but not huge like you said, and about the Palantir, this seeing stone can locate any being or object in all realms, like Potter’s universe and Middle Earth alike.
So, Voldy will teleport, but where he goes, Morgoth and Sauron will find him, and they can find a way to destroy his horcruxes, using the Palantir to find a Basilisk fang or the stupid Griffyndor Sword, and the spell Avada Kedavra cannot kill them, because they doesn’t have a soul, and when Voldy flee with Nagini, both of Middle Earth Dark Lord’s can find the weapon to defeat Voldy and his Nagini snake.
And them use the Palantir again to find Voldy’s hideout, Sauron has The One Ring and Morgoth has the Silmarils and this are the most powerful weapons of Middle Earth. In a Battle of Morgoth Sauron x Voldemort and Salazar, the Dark Lord’s of Middle Earth will achieve the victory, i assume that will no be a easy victory, but you must agreed with me, because against the power of Middle Earth, there can be no victory.

sauron and morgoth are huge!! once sauron and morgoth found voldemort he will escape again or fight! if avada kedavra cant kill them! he has a lot of ways of killing them!! sauron was defeated by isildur a man with a cut sword! and morgoth was defeated by and elf tsk tsk tsk…what power will morgoth sauron and saruman will use to defeat voldemort!!!

Well, we’re not.

Well, it’s not like Saruman or Morgoth will automatically have access to an army of Balrogs. Also, we cannot know whether or not protection charms from Harry Potter can prevent the Palantír from finding the location of the Horcruxes. This is pretty much a dead end as neither worlds ever has or ever will merge and we therefore cannot know how the magic from either world affects the other.

I disagree, we cannot know if the Palantir would find the Horcruxes for two reasons: one because Potter’s universe isn’t part of “all the realms” in Tolkien’s universe, and two because we cannot know whether or not protection charms in Potter’s universe could prevent the Palantir from seeing the Horcruxes. The Palantir was unable to find where Frodo and the Brotherhood was hiding, so you shouldn’t trust it too much. Remember that although Saruman’s Maiar form wasn’t killed when Wormtongue slit his throat, he was nonetheless unable to return to life, and if Wormtongue could kill his sorcerer form in such a conventional way, Voldemort will most certainly be able to do it easier, and then Saruman won’t be able to simply come back to life at will to bust Voldy’s ass. Don’t underestimate protection charms in Harry Potter, Voldemort wasn’t able to do anything whatsoever to homes that were magically protected by the Order of the Phoenix, I doubt that even the forces of Middle Earth would do much better.

Of course, because Saruman doesn’t know where the ring is, so he send the Uruk Hai to Amon Hen via Palantir and they capture Pippin and Merry thinking that both of the hobbits is the ringbearer, and about the Palantir, Gandalf said that the seeing stones never lie and they see everything, even in Potter’s universe, because both of them will merge.

He will escape like a afraid girl, and about Sauron, it took seven years to Isildur defeat him, because Barad-Dûr was under siege by this time, so when this seven years was complete, Sauron appear’s to fight, and Gil Galad, Elrond, Anárion, Isildur and Elendil unite to defeat him in a melee battle of hours, and Sauron kills Gil Galad, Elendil and Anárion, he fall by Elendil and broke Narsil, so Isildur take the sword and cut the finger where the ring lie.
So this battle was not an easy one, it took SEVEN YEARS, and Voldemort only flee in the battles, only appears in the courtyard of Hogwarts to humiliate the students and for them fight for his cause. Voldy doesn’t has a knife to cut him and Sauron can easily block an spell with his ring. And the Palantir could see anything in every world.

And for the Last Time, Sauron and Morgoth are not huge ones, they are big, but not HUGE…Read The Unfinished Tales and them you will see.

I think you CannotSpellMyName are underestimating the Forces of Middle Earth, one of Sauron’s coup in a Protego will definitely destroy any shield and even those who cast it, and Saruman can undo such spell with his powerful voice, you know that. Voldemort doesn’t is like Sauron or Saruman, and about the Maiar form of Saruman, he only is killed because he is to weak and distracted when Grima cut his throat, in the same way that you remember Saruman’s death, i’ll remember Voldy’s death, he died by his own curse and you know why, because the elder wand doesn’t want to kill his Master (Harry).
Saruman died like a mortal yes, but he doesn’t committed suicide, because in other words Voldemort died like that.

Well i am. cant you see CannotSpellMyName im on your side here! im in everones side whos in favore of HP!

whatever! gil galad,elendil,anarion,elrond and isildur have no powers! while voldemort is very powerful that he could just get the ring and throw it on mt.doom!! and about voldemort and saruman voldemort would win because he would just cast him avada kedavra and saruman would be dead! and what’s the difference of big and huge there like similar! public school boy!

Your fucking prick, you commentaries are useless, Saruman’s voice is like a Imperium, he can control Voldemort’s hand and cast this fucking spell against him, Gil Galad has a ring of power, you know what is this you faggot, and i really doubt that Voldemort will be a sufficient man to take Sauron’s ring and trow it so easily in mount doom.
Saruman’s can make Voldy’s use that cursed wand as a masturbator in his pale ass.
Use the sense you idiot, Voldemort only is powerful because of his wand, break this one and his powers will gone forever, unlike, Saruman has powers even without the staff.
Avada Kedavra cannot kill Saruman, because he can use some deity spell to protect him, as the same way you insist in the horcruxes, i will insist in his Deity form.

Get lost you prick.

i know, i respect u 2 but man, let’s let this clear, i think the wizards /w wands can’t kill Sauron /w his ring, or saruman with a palantir, and his staff (with or without) i think Saruman would win. That’s my opinion man, i hope u respect that, i knw ur point, but a . wise army is more than a powerfull army, Saruman have a lot of knowledge, why don’gt put that on action? Why don’t use his voice to make Voldemort fight for his side? That would be easy to uncle Saruman do it… That’s my vision, i already saw ur point…

Poor boy, he dosen’t know nothing of the lord of the rings, go there and buy the books… The movie is not the same of the book…

Have respect you weakless worm, be polite here, i suppose you have 10 years old to be so idiot… Tell me, do you got a head problem? We are humans, not animals like you, to post something like that, i think you are a loony person… Go find some friends you Greek.

Well, i like Harry Potter, but in this time, i side with Saruman The White.

A single punch with saurons mace would destroy the Horcruxes.
Sorry i can’t resist to say that…. Ah let me remember, Sauron have a lot of Servents to find the Horcruxes to him… Just Saying.

Well, i have nothing to say about, i agree with Watcher!

Destroy his Wand (LOL) and the “Battle” is over, Saruman wins! (LOL MASTURBATOR ROFLMAO) 

Man you are ridiculous, if i was in your place, i would commit suicide, you make me remember when i were young, lol, please put some wise commentaries >:]

Being or not man, the will would show the say to Uncle Saruman…
He would find a way to destroy the Horcruxes, he is a Deity….a Maiar…i stand thinking Saruman would win (Sir Christopher Lee and Sir ian Mackellen are the Best’s actors i ever saw in my entire life!!!! One of my reasons to protect The Lord Of The Rings! )

You are kidding me??????? As you said, 1 balrog defeated by gandalf, what costs his very life… what about more then thousands, go man, ENJOY, read LOTR books! ^^

i also love lotr! i always watch it and also hp! and i like gandalf more than dumbledore but we must face the fact that dumbledore is more powerful but i like voldemort more than saruman.. and there are times that i like lotr more than hp!

hey you bitch i have tons of friends!! and you losers are the ones who’s weakless worms.. Fuck off and die Star Killer

saurons servants cannot find the horcrexes because  they’re hidden well and no other weapons can destroy it even sauron’s mace…Just Saying.

fuck off falling star..!!

they’ll still have powers even they dont have wands..Bitch..unlike lotr wizards hp wizards are different they are the once who dominate there world..but in lotr wizards are sent for their mission and once their mission is done they’ll go somewhere.. idk! a dagger killed saruman and he never came back like gandalf because he joined forces with the enemy!   ..saruman broke his staff by gandalf by just saying his staff is broken. what a cheap staff.. Losers like you are the once who’ll get lost!!!

voldemort didnt died on his own curse he died because the last horcrex was killed!! which he based he’s life on. just like sauron in the ring!

Harry Potter is more popular and hit than lotr..and the writter is now a billionaire because of her book!! stop protecting a movie that only boys will like HP is a movie for all gender and you are a clueless boy starkiller i can lead you to the world of fame!!!

my dear StarKiller you have a choice choosing between harry potter one of the best and famous movies with great actors.. lotr is an old movie hp to but hp last from the year 2000 to 2011 you have a chance to decide!! 

whatever bitch!

I just have to point out the fact that every single positive thing you’ve mentioned about Lord of the Rings I completely agree with, I too love Christopher Lee and Ian McKellen and there is never going to be an author who can compete with Sir JRR Tolkien when it comes to fantasy. Make no mistake, I’m not defending Harry Potter because I think Tolkien’s universe is poor, I just think the wizards of Harry Potter have more efficient ways of defeating the forces of Middle-Earth than the other way around.

Again, congratulations for very profound knowledge about the LOTR, I’m thoroughly impressed!

Please stop this pointless flamewar, Christian. Really, “you have a choice”? I think there’s plenty of space for both Harry Potter and LOTR in our bookshelves.

whatever!

give it up lotr fans!! hp will always win not just in movie awards,hits but also in power!! and CannotSpellMyName  ur taking this commentary too serious.. and i dont have lotr books.. reading it is just a waste of time i would rather read narnia..!

Hahahahaha, Harry Potter doesn’t win even one oscar, LOTR win 17 oscars, and i think that will be a waste of time reading a copy such HP, CannotSpellMyName is right, there space for both of Hp fans and LOTR fans, and you are not acting such a HP fan, because everybody here respect each other, only you is a retard, you ashamed HP with this commentaries.

I agreed with you friend, you honor Hp, unlike this retard one called Christian.

Yeah, it’s old, but win 17 oscars, HP doesn’t win one, and don’t forget about the Hobbit, because it’s a part of LOTR, Hp end this year, but the Hobbit it’s just beginning, I will wait to see Mister Jackson wins another oscar for his huge collection, and HP is 7 books and 8 movies, and did not win a oscar.
LOTR is infinity better than HP, is a fantastic mythology and it’s a Middle Earth, Potter universe is boils down to a little castle.

Thank you friend, I do feel honored to receive a comment from someone profoundly wise when dealing with books like you.

There’s no side here my friend, this is not a war, it’s only a discussion, me and CannotSpellMyName already discuss about this poll, and both of us admire the wisdom of each other, and if you think that this poll is about sides, them you enter in the wrong site. We’re friends, both of LOTR fans and Potter fans, but you just enter here with you poor commentaries and just make a clown show, so please, enter in our peaceful group, or leave this website.

Via Palantir, how many times must i say that.

Shut up, that scene has been cut from the movie, and in the books this never happen’s, only Saruman’s staff was broken.

I agreed friend, thank’s

SARUMAN: Say to Voldy pick his wand and turn to his pale ass.
VOLDEMORT: Try to resist Saruman’s powerful voice.
SARUMAN: Demand that Voldy masturbate with his wand.
VOLDEMORT: Made as Saruman said.

I agreed man

A WASTE OF TIME IS READ YOUR PATHETIC COMMENTARIES.

You are insane kid.
Why don’t you go for the daycare.
You is the only falling person here, why don’t you keep being polite?

Oh realy?
i don’t think so! JK rowling is not looking for your childish commentaries, you are nothing for her….and for me.
You don’t understand nothing of Knowledge.

(He’s own curse)
Sauron would make voldemort cry and run like a girl.

Agree Watcher ^^

Ah and they can, the servants have legs, let me remember they also have ships, horses and the fellbeast’s just saying, is a great point to remember is a huge army to find Horcruxes

i am a Star and only i can kill lol just kidding /w ya.Hey, friends dosn’t make you be adult right? But the respect makes it. So keep the respect and don’t be….animal like you are now.

Too serious? Not at all, I just don’t think that your kind of “debating” is appropriate anywhere outside kindergarten. For the record, Lord of the Rings is a fantastic series, definitely better than Narnia.

Sorry but you’re not on my side. Hitler enjoyed art, so do I, does that mean I’m on Hitler’s side? The way I see it you’re more of a LOTR hater than a HP fan. Harry Potter even encourages tolerance to other’s opinions, you seem to have skipped that part. Sorry but I have no interest in shaping bonds with “fans” like you.

CannotSpellMyName, you have my respect man.
Thank you for the commentaries

im not a lotr hater!! and not a hp fan!!

whatever falling star!

your such a sour loser watcher!!

if im saying that hp wizards will win againts lotr creatures does not mean i hate lotr!!

alright i’ll stop saying useless commentaries!! this comments are about who would win in a brawl between voldemort and saruman..voldemort will win because he’s more powerful than saruman.. as for sauron and voldemort sauron was once a lieutenant of morgoth he was not made to be a dark lord and his beginnig he was an annatar lord of gifts but i think you already know this!! voldemort was born to be a dark lord because he is the heir of slytherin and he was the most powerful student @ hogwarts in his time!! sorry for my useless commentaries im just here to share my ideas..

lotr is a great movie!! but a lot of people like hp more than lotr.. and when lotr won at oscars that was 5 or more than years!!

horcrex are hidden well and horcrex are in the wizarding world not in middle earth some wizards saw the nazguls they will stop them!! and the palantir cant see all things in middle earth!!!

you have my respect watcher,star killer and cannotspellmyname!! and also Ggirl! truce

So why you say that you are on CannotSpellMyName side?, because he like’s both of the books, but he prefer Potter, and you say that you are on Harry Potter fans side.

Enough, for Saruman and Voldy fight against each other, Middle Earth have to merge with Potter’s universe, so the weapons in Middle Earth will work in Potter’s universe, as the same way that Potter weapons will work in Middle Earth.

AND PALANTiR CAN SEE EVERYTHiNG

Me, a loser????????????The only loser here is you my friend, because you’re making a clown show here, go find some friends and be civil in your useless commentaries, you doesn’t know nothing from Harry Potter and LOTR, you just watch the movies and you think that knows everything.
Wise people read books and just don’t watch movies.

Well, is great to know that, we don’t like to be so hostile with some ppl ^^

Well nice to know that, i like the balrogs, and i fear some creatures from Tolkiens book’s, like Morgoth, i fear him, so this makes me think he is The Dark Lord…
i love star wars, but i fear the creatures and characters for Tolkiens books, and that’s what makes me think they would win in a brawl.

As i said, i think saruman would win, but that isn’t a reason to say Voldemort is weak….
He is powerfull, maybe more than Saruman, but Saruman is wise, that’s what makes he reach the same level of Voldemort. About Sauron, i know he was a Lieutenant and wasn’t born to be the Dark Lord, but when he created the ring, that makes he get that title. And Morgoth, i fear him, realy, when i was reading, when he screams, and the Balrogs could hear him…and more, that fear me a lot.
This helps to show my ideas, Voldy is a Great Wizard, and powerfull, but Saruman have Wisdom, and that have to count something.

true! wisdom is strength! 

yeah! sum creatures from tolkeins book are terrifying!! 

Why. Does. It. Matter?

Thank you for joining the constructive club, welcome

Ty to agree ^^

here im making useless loserific commentaries but in my real life..im one of the most popular guy on school and other school like st.judes and st.john etc!! Maybe i know nothing of this matter but as i observe saruman’s powers compare too voldy’s i can see and feel that he would win! I define loser as friendless,geeks,weird,clueless and ppl who keep reading books well you do but no offense! and i dont live in towns or go to a public school or sumthing like local person in a local state! im from manhattan i live in a city!!

If you know gandalf and saruman’s age pls tell i just wanna make sure if there really 2000+ years old?! just curious!

Sorry for the delay, they have 7000 years old

Because he wanted Gandalf to unite with Sauron. He could have killed Gandalf if he wanted to and besides Saruman has an army of 10,000 Uruk-Hai

saruman would destroy voldemort.

sauraman cant die. he would stay like an earth period and then come back and destroy the power frieck voldemort

gandalf would destroy dumbledore and voldemort at the same time blindfolded

stop cussing

just kidding but it would be a good duel, Gandalf and Saruman vs Voldemort and Dumbledore

I highly doubt that.

Saruman didn’t come back after Wormtongue killed him so why would he come back after Voldemort kills his human body?

Gandalf and Saruman (as other Istari-Wizards) lived before creation of world. Second Era + Third Era give 7000 years + First Age… Well, they are very old. Istari look like old men, because they were ordered to do so. Lets return to our duel:

Saruman can use power of his Voice to make Voldemort’s Deatheaters join him, or even convince Voldemort himself to join his cause. Saruman could use his Voice even after his defeat and treason revealed, only Gandalf was strong enough to be completely unmoved. Saruman could even convince Treebeard to let him go and also to threat hobbits when they tried to kill him in Shire. 

As seen in his duel against Gandalf, Saruman could summon Gandalf’s staff using telekinesis. (from Gandalf’s hand!) The same power Saruman can use against Voldemort, leaving sorcerer defenseless.

Other Saruman’s powers are: summoning lightning, shooting fireball and Isengard’s Blow (i take it from games to supplement his powers). Saruman also has Palantir, which he can use to find horcruxes. 

Voldemort is dangerous too, but i am too lazy to write about his powers. For me, Saruman wins, but it would be really epic battle. 

Gandalf and Saruman (as other Istari-Wizards) lived before creation of world. Second Era + Third Era give 7000 years + First Age… Well, they are very old. Istari look like old men, because they were ordered to do so. Lets return to our duel:

Saruman can use power of his Voice to make Voldemort’s Deatheaters join him, or even convince Voldemort himself to join his cause. Saruman could use his Voice even after his defeat and treason revealed, only Gandalf was strong enough to be completely unmoved. Saruman could even convince Treebeard to let him go and also to threat hobbits when they tried to kill him in Shire. 

As seen in his duel against Gandalf, Saruman could summon Gandalf’s staff using telekinesis. (from Gandalf’s hand!) The same power Saruman can use against Voldemort, leaving sorcerer defenseless.

Other Saruman’s powers are: summoning lightning, shooting fireball and Isengard’s Blow (i take it from games to supplement his powers). Saruman also has Palantir, which he can use to find horcruxes. 

Voldemort is dangerous too, but i am too lazy to write about his powers. For me, Saruman wins, but it would be really epic battle. 

Gandalf and Saruman (as other Istari-Wizards) lived before creation of world. Second Era + Third Era give 7000 years + First Age… Well, they are very old. Istari look like old men, because they were ordered to do so. Lets return to our duel:

Saruman can use power of his Voice to make Voldemort’s Deatheaters join him, or even convince Voldemort himself to join his cause. Saruman could use his Voice even after his defeat and treason revealed, only Gandalf was strong enough to be completely unmoved. Saruman could even convince Treebeard to let him go and also to threat hobbits when they tried to kill him in Shire. 

As seen in his duel against Gandalf, Saruman could summon Gandalf’s staff using telekinesis. (from Gandalf’s hand!) The same power Saruman can use against Voldemort, leaving sorcerer defenseless.

Other Saruman’s powers are: summoning lightning, shooting fireball and Isengard’s Blow (i take it from games to supplement his powers). Saruman also has Palantir, which he can use to find horcruxes. 

Voldemort is dangerous too, but i am too lazy to write about his powers. For me, Saruman wins, but it would be really epic battle. 

voldemort  wins

Voldemort has better element manupulation-ability than Saruman. He can throw sharp/heavy objects at Saruman, or he can grab a sharp object, apparate behind Saruman and hit Saruman’s head. And judging Saruman he can react and dodge/block. Saruman can manupulate the weather…. to a degree. If it comes down to orcs vs death eters, orcs dont have the ability to block killer/binding curses, physical metal shields/swords cannot help against magic curses. Dumbledore mentioned ‘magic leaves traces’ so based on that principle the palantir can trace the locations of the horcruxes, Saruman can find the horcruxes by that way, and he CAN destroy them with his vast understanding about magic.
Things look balanced in every way!!! Guess we have to ask Tolkien and Rowling for conclusions!!!!!