Gandalf vs. Dumbledore

Lol gandalf ftw he can summon eagles,defeated balrog and has had alot of combat experience.Dumbeldorecan cast alot of spells but he can do Your Staff is broken! to his wand and he can make himself a shield arount himself!

So…..

GANFALF FOR THE WIN!

Dumbledore would win. He has the elder wand, which can beat anything, not to mention he's already the most powerful wizard to ever live.

Gandalf wins. Because gandalf is maiar, he is immortal and even if his body dies his spirit can not. He has powers dumbledor cant even dream of. He was restricted to use his powers in the books so if they did fight i think IIlvitar would let him use his full power and if that happened all the wizards in harry potter could not stop him.

I think Chuck Norris would beat both of them… at the same time

becouse im from croatia

cmon ppl, smart ppl know that gandalf IS dumbledor!!! I mean we all know that when gandalf was gone during the 3rd movie he was at hogwarts saving the day, then asks snape to pretend to kill him so he can go back and defeat Sauron! Jesus!

Well they both die in the end…but I would have to say Gandalf just because he’s a way better fighter than Dumbledore

Jus so people know, Avade Kedavra attacks the soul, not the body. Therefore Gandalf is immune to Avada Kedavra, his soul is immortal, But his body is prone, in which Gandalf has many Protective spells, Such as the The Flame of Arnor – as we see when he fights the balrog, such a beats couldn’t harm him when he used the spell. Gandalf also CHOSE to fall into the ravine with the Balrog, he could have easily pulled himself up, but chose to fall. Gandalf is a very powerful wizard, whop unforetunately we don’t see in action as we should. But considering he can break weapons with no problem, deflect spells with his hands, and is immune to fire spells, another expmple of where saruman fires a blast of fire at him and no damage is done. Gandalf would hands down win. 

The main arguments here are with Gandalf’s forms. To make the brawl clearer, we need to establish if we are talking about Gandalf the Grey, the White or his Maiar form

i think that gandalf would win (i read both the series:)

I sometimes think that both are the same person, seeing their similar personalities and honorable intentions.

This isn’t even open for discussion. 
Gandalf. 
There is no comparison.
Gandalf would win just because he’s Gandalf.

You’re an idiot. Dumbledore has a Phoenix as a familiar which can heal any wound, such as a fatal Basilisk poisoning from a bite. Dumbledore has the Elder Wand. Dumbledore IS the greatest wizard there ever was. Dumbledore do was a fucking genius as well. Dumbledore is like the greatest manipulator of all time.

Dumbledore let Severus kill him to allow Harry to kill Voldemort, save Draco from becoming a monster, gain trust of Voldemort towards Snape, and because, AND THIS IS THE BIGGEST REASON, he accepted death as an inevitable process on the road through a great journey. Dumbledore was one of the only three Masters of Death and accepted death.

Dumbledore may be a light wizard, but that doesn’t mean you can’t use dark spells and I wouldn’t be surprised to find out he has giving the manipulation the man has.

Gandalf may be a Maiar, but seriously. All he can do this or that blah blah blah with his power. If he could do something like open a hole in the ground or snap the Elder Wand, then what stopped him from killing Orc armies with it, or even destroying the ring himself or taking it to the volcano himself instead of having a bunch of Hobbits do it. I’m not positive but I’m pretty sure he isn’t allowed to come back again as he was only brought back so he could help finish the mission.

Gandalf is only allowed to be in Middle Earth has a VERY power striped being, and not allowed to do certain things as much as he is to guide and help in small ways of protection and such. Now that is in his own world, if Gandalf and Dumbledore were to ever met, it would be in our world which is where Dumbledore is from, which would most likely leave Gandalf even less powerful then him being in Middle Earth considering he wouldn’t be a such an ancient being to our world and would probably take immense power to get to it in the first place, and he is FAR from his own source of origin.

Now people don’t put two cents in where you only argue one sidedly. Like don’t list facts about the one character but then none about the other. Like “Oh Dumbledore’s got the Elder wand, he wins!” “Gandalf is a Maiar and is immortal, he wins!” “Gandalf’s Maiar powers let him do anything!” <– all of which aren't true to the argument as a stand alone.

Gandalf may be immortal, but he died. Plain and simple do to his weaker state for being in the world. Even when he came back he was still not his full power, probably not even half, PROBABLY NOT EVEN A QUARTER OF HIS TRUE POWER… The fact is Gandalf would never be able to use his true power against Dumbledore, in Middle Earth he may just win, in our world Dumbledore wins. In beyond wherever Gandalf is when dead, Gandalf fucking stomps Dumbledore.

In our world I'm positive Dumbledore would win hands down, but Gandalf would live on in another way.

Not to sure if they fought in Middle Earth, but if Gandalf lost he'd live on.

In wherever Gandalf where is true belonging is, Gandalf wins but Dumbledore would never be there anyway.

when dumbledore dies, hes about 115. dumbledore has wanted to die since about the age of twenty, when he accidentally caused the death of his little sister. at the age of fifty, he was offered the position of minister for magic 3 times, without applying or becoming a polititan. it was pure reverance and reputation as the greatest wizard of all time. hes defeated the two most powerful dark wizards of all time, gained so much knowledge he needs a pensieve to keep it all in, and the second dark wizard he didnt even need to be alive to defeat! when he was killed, his wand was blasted out of his hand by a schoolboy, because he was basicly an old rag because of the killing potion. gandalf is the avatar of a miaia, so power was automatically given to him, but dumbledore has had to work for a century to become the legend he is. and in that century, hes done more than gandalf has in his entire career. dumbledore would just apparate behind him, and transfigure his staff into a raccon. then he’d   
just conjure a troll out of mid-air and dissaparate. done.

Dumbledore got poisoned by that pipsqueek malefoy. Gandalf is totally mincing.  Yoda would F*!# em both up.

Gandalf does not only have light spell! He also has a shield spell, which he uses against the Balrog on the bridge of Kazad-dum, a fire spell which he uses to combat wolves in the hobbit and the fellowship of the ring and to light a bundle of wood to keep the fellowship warm, a lightning spell that he uses to kill some orcs in the hobbit and he uses it against Grima Wormtounge in the two towers, he also has a spell that csn push his enimies back, he uses that one against Saruman in Isenguard. He also mentooned a “word of command” that Gandalf used against the balrog in the rolm of Balin’s tomb, which shatters a heavy wood and iron door. He also posseses the ability to, as Toliken called it, “grow up to full hight ” hich inflicted fear upon his foes. And in the extended version of the second movie Gandalf charged his sword with lightning. I sure hope that all this will prove to you that Gandalf has a lot more than one spell and would eadily kill Dumbledore.

By the way, I am not meaning to say that I don’t like Dumbledore,,just that I like Gandalf more. Dumbledore is the second best wizard out there. But Gandalf is still better.

Aside fromthefact the Gandalf would clearly win (and not just from “coming back”), I’dlike to clear up something. Apparently, everyone seems to think that Gandalf has some “defined” power, or ability, to “break lesser staves”….this is NOT true. Before Gandalf died in his battle with the Balrog, he was Gandalf the Gray. Along with Saruman (and a few other wizards – Radagast and the two Blue Wizards), Gandalf was a group of Maiar who were chosen by their associated Valar to assist the people of Middle Earth in the war against Sauron. Saruman the White was labeled “the White” because according to rank, he was greater in wisdom and stature than Gandalf the Gray (Olorin was his Maiar name, whereas Gandalf was his”human” name). Both Saruman and Gandalf had been instructed to assist Men against Sauron (and I’d like to stress the word “assist” – it was not their task to “defeat” Sauron). However, Saruman was turned from his task, and had chosen to allie himself with Sauron. After Gandalf the Gray died in his battle against the Balrog (btw, the Balrog died first), Gandalf’s spirit returned to the Halls of Mandos, where Eru Illuvatar (the “God” of the LOTR series) allowed Gandalf’s spirit to go back to Middle Earth, thereafter he had been given authority over Saruman. Gandalf had essentially been “promoted” to be a higher rank than Saruman. As such, Gandalf was adble to “break” Saruman’s staff, as a display that he had risen above Saruman as a superior. It wasnot a general “ability” of Gandalf’s to be able to break staves, or break wands, or whatever. He was only able to do so, and to do it to Saruman, since it was sort of like telling Saruman, “you have fallen from your position as ‘the White’, and I have risen above you’. Breaking his staff was the proof of Gandalf’s authority over Saruman; it was basically like Gandalf was delivering the message from Illuvater that Saruman is no longer worthy of the power that his staff represented. Ok, now that THAT is cleared up…Gandalf would win (not necessarily easily) in a one-time battle, btw. And I’m not talking about the fact that they are both “good” wizards, and that they would be able to use each other’s magicor whatever. Simple rules….Gandalf has his powers, and Dumbledore has his powers. They both give it their all, without regret or personal restrictions. Gandalf would win, since he has potentiallyunlimited amount of power that resides in him. By the way, the Ring of Narya that he wears does not givehim any extra power. I’d like to clear that up as well. That ring was one of the three Elven rings that grants the wearer a certain ability. In this case, as is said in the book, the wearer of the ring “warms the hearts of those nearby”. This is a morale issue. This is why in the Battle at Minis Tirith (the white city), every time Gandalf rode by the troops, they stood up and felt emboldened. They didn’t explain this as good in the movies, but in the books, they went into further detail. The ring simply exerts a strong level of courage and “self-belief” around allies of the wearer….it doesnot give Gandalf any extra power per say (other than the potential idea that if Gandalf were losing against Dumbledore, he would be able to overcome the mental “depression” of the idea of losing….I.e he wouldn’t stop believing in himself – which is a very powerful thing in a fight, as any fighter knows). Ok…there!

If its Dumbledore versus Gandalf the Grey it’ll be a very even fight. They both have similar levels of ability, although Gandalf has lived for far longer than even Dumbledore has, being a Maiar. Wizards in the Lord of the Rings were lesser gods, they were incredibly powerful…but Dumbledore could I think easily trade blows with him. Despite Gandalf’s inherantly higher power, Dumbledore’s sheer variety of techniques and ingenuity more than make up for his mortality.

Now if its Gandalf the White we’re talking about however, I’m afraid Dumbledore doesn’t stand a chance. Rejuvinated, slightly younger, and with sharper fighting skills, he combines all of Gandalf’s immense knowledge and magic with a much stronger body.

Gandalf fought a Balrog and came back from the dead.

Dumbledore got a kid to do his fights.

Gandalf may not totally outmatch Dumbledore in spell ability, but you need to add in the factor of melee. Gandalf is a very deadly fighter with Glamdring, his sword. If Gandalf got up close with Glamdring, the battle would be over. Gandalf rules!!

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all the comments of gandalf won’t use his true power are dumb, gandalf only limits his powers because his mission is to let d kingdom of men rule middle earth by defeating sauron, but he will still use his powers when really needed, like when he knew that balrog was beyond the powers of anyone else and was going to kill the fellowship he used his true powers and ultimately beat the balrog, who at that time killed entire dwarves of mora including their king balin, so gandalf killed the ancient monster whoo killed entire legions of dwarves, and yeah if he can break the staff of the eldest istari(SARUMAN) who was sent by the valar himself, he can surely break the puny elder wand of a headmaster who teaches magic in a fort. So if dumbledore fights gandalf the grey he might apple to teleport and get away with his life but if he dare to fight gandalf the white, then not even with the aid of harry boy and volde”alien”mort will he be able to win. On other note both of them are good so i don’t think even if they met they will fight, only if one or the other turns evil

DUMBLEDORE WOULD TOTALLY OWN GANDALFS ASS!!!!!

Gandalf would kick dumbledores but, he is a maiar, a spirit sent to help shape the world. He holds a lot more power than dumbledore. He is an amazing sword fighter and if he died, he would come back more powerful, as you see in the transformation from grey to white. He is far more knowledgeable than dumbledore. The fact is, dumbledore is still just a human, powerful, but human.

Ok, putting apart every argument about the mortality/inmortality of Gandalf and how he was weakened, lets say a couple things:

1- Gandalf, in his weaker form (the grey) defeated a Balrog. Balrogs are corrupted maiars, minor gods. He defeted him even when he was “tired” (if you read the book, there was no problem for gandalf fighting a balrog, but he had used most of his energies defeating an orcs army). Can Dumbledore defeat a god?

2- Ok, Dumbledore gets the most powerful wandsin HP universe… to make it fairer, let’s give Gandalf one object wich is even not the most powerful object in Middle Earth. The One Ring. Half of the power of Sauron… that’s all Dumble

3- Dumbledore can be a better magician, but Gandalf masters not only magic, but sword fighting and psychology… he could make Dumbledore to kill himself…

Therefore Gandalf will win 99.9-repeating% of all battles with Dumbledore.
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Gandalf would toatally win. He is a god. He would crush dumbledore.

Gandalf is an Anur, hes a practically demigod, even if dumbledore kills him, he will come back to life infinite times, while Dumbledore is mortal

Ganda

We’ll never know who‘ll win. Dumbledore died, and he knew he was going to. He wasn’t afraid(though he must’ve been frightened a little), because he isn’t scared of dying. Death is just a part of life. He said so in the first book, ‘To the well organised mind, death is but the next great adventure.’ And he isn’t really dead, he’s in Limbo, as we learn when Voldemort kills Harry. He isn’t dead nor is he alive. He can’t come back alive and he can’t die. Anyway, Snape told Dumbledore that Voldemort had told Narcissa and Lucius to make Draco Malfoy, their son, a Death Eater like them. This made them worried about what might happen to Malfoy as he was in such a dangerous situation, so Narcissa and Bellatrix made Snape seal the Unbreakable Vow to protect Malfoy. Malfoy had no choice, because this is VOLDEMORT I’m on about. He’s a raging, psychopathic sadist and when he wants something done, you don’t disagree, ESPECIALLY if you’re one of his followers. If Malfoy didn’t come onto the Dark Side, Voldemort would kill him and his parents. So Dumbledore guessed correctly that Voldemort would order Malfoy to kill Dumbledore to make Malfoy a proper Death Eater. His fears were confirmed when he knew Malfoy was behind all the attacks that were aimed at him but didn’t actually make their target, and instead hit other people. Dumbledore was the master of the Elder Wand, the most powerful, invincible wand in the world, no magic could defeat it. Dumbledore realised he was dying because when he put on the Horcrux(the ring), the curse attacked Dumbledore, so the curse blackened his hand and he was going to die. He put on the ring because the stone that was inside it, was actually the Resurrection Stone. He wanted to see his family and apologise and talk to them, after the whole Grindelward fight. He forgot that the ring being a Horcrux, was very likely to have a curse around it, in anticipation of the hope he could see his family, finally happy and whole. He only told Snape who helped slow Dumbledore’s death, but the curse had already ‘settled’ and there was no way of saving Dumbledore. Snape said that he had around a year or so to die. So Dumbledore decided to figure out the Elder Wand problem as the Elder Wand is one of the Deathly Hallows, and that’s the Hallow Voldemort was really after. He didn’t really care about the Invisibility Cloak as he thought it wasn’t important or the Resurrection Stone because of his fear of death and his inability to love and give affection. Dumbledore had an idea, that maybe if Snape killed him, Snape would become the master of the Elder Wand, and it might weaken the power of the wand. However, when Malfoy used the Expelliarmus spell on Dumbledore, because he disarmed him, he unwittingly became the master of the Elder Wand. As Malfoy disarmed Dumbledore before Snape killed him, Malfoy became the master, not Snape. Obviously, when Harry fought Malfoy’s wand of him and took it at the Malfoy Manor, Harry then became the master of the Elder Wand. When Harry found that he was a Horcrux and in order to save the world from Voldemort and his Death Eaters, and for Voldemort to die, he would have to be killed by Voldemort, Voldemort took the wand. Harry didn’t fully die, because in the fourth book, when Voldemort rose again, he used some of Harry’s blood to come back to power. Because of that, as nobody had yet defeated Voldemort properly(only Harry could do that because of the prophecy), Harry was still tied to the earth because Voldemort was still alive. Voldemort and Harry had the same blood inside themselves, the Dark Lord himself was still alive, and so Harry could still survive. Dumbledore can’t defeat Voldemort for good. Only Harry can. In the fifth book, when Dumbledore tells Harry about the prophecy he heard(The one with the power to vanquish the Dark Lord approaches…born to those who have thrice defied him, born as the seventh month dies…and the Dark Lord shall mark him as his equal, but he shall have power the Dark Lord knows not….and either must die at the hand of the other for neither can live while the other survives), which basically means that Voldemort couldn’t kill Harry because of how powerful the ancient magic love protected Harry, when his mum died for him and that in the end, only Harry can kill Voldemort. So yeah. I LOVE The Lord of the Rings btw, it’s just that I’m a bigger fan of Harry Potter. My heart will always go back to Harry Potter. But honestly, Dumbledore would never, EVER fight Gandalf. They’re both amazing wizards, and aren’t stupid enough to fight.

dumbledore has to say words to cast spells which takes time. gandalf does not need to chant he can simple use his powers at will. as soon as dumbledore starts waving his wand and saying a bunch of words, gandalf would instantly throw a barrage of spells into his face.